Maxwell Leadership Podcast: Life Lessons from the Little Red Wagon with Ron Simmons

Mark Cole:

Welcome to the Maxwell Leadership Podcast. This is the podcast that adds value to leaders s who will multiply value to others. My name is Mark Cole and I feel a little bit like John Maxwell. To be honest with you. Every time John Maxwell writes a book, when it’s releasing, he goes, this is my best book ever. We kind of all laugh and go, yeah, okay, we’ve heard that before. But today I kind of feel like John Maxwell because I think this is going to be one of the best podcasts ever. By the way, John says that the day that he quits writing a book that he does not feel like is the best book ever, he’s going to quit writing. So the day I don’t feel like I’m bringing you the best podcast we’ve ever had to date is the last days of the podcast. So just be encouraged when I say today is one of the best podcasts ever. And that’s because today my friend and John Maxwell’s friend Ron Simmons is in studio with us now. I’ll let you get to meet Ron in just a moment. We’ll talk more about Ron, but Ron has had many years of leadership experience in corporate space, in government. He shares some of the most important lessons he’s learned in his life and his leadership in a brand new book. In fact, if you’re watching by YouTube and by the way, you should, because Ron is here together with me live, he talks about in his new book, life Lessons from the Little Red Wagon 15 Ways to Take Charge and Create a Path to Success. Now, you’re going to love this. We’re going to talk a little bit about the Red Wagon, but you, our listeners, should also be excited about this book because our very own Maxwell Leadership thought leader Don Yaeger worked on this book with Ron. John did the ford. We’re going to talk about something unique about John in the audiobook of this in my interview with Ron. And we all know when Ron, Don and John, that sounds pretty good. When these guys get together, they will tell a great story. So we’re going to hear from Ron. You’re going to hear why John is so excited. But before we get going and before we really talk about the book, Ron, first I got to tell you thank you. Thanks for being in the room with me.

Ron Simmons:

Well, thank you for having me. It’s great to be here. And where all of it happens right here. It all happened to your leadership. And I want you to know how much we appreciate your leadership. I know I speak for John in that too.

Mark Cole:

Yeah, it does. It all happens here. We have a studio in Florida, but when we’re in Atlanta, this is it. But we could have done this by zoom. But he jumped on a plane. Podcast listeners jumped on a plane. Came in today. Leave tonight. Or Morrow, just to be in here and be a part and I know, ron, ron, this is your first book, right?

Ron Simmons:

And it’s my best book for sure, no question.

Mark Cole:

And we’re not going to the other extreme that it’s your worst book.

Ron Simmons:

Let’s don’t go there.

Mark Cole:

It’s the best book ever. But let me say this. It’s not the book. It’s not even selling the book. It’s not even the idea of the book selling millions and gazillions of copies that made you get on a plane. Your life has all been all about serving others. So before we even get to the book, tell me about this Ron Simmons guy, because I want your podcast listeners to know this. If there’s anybody that John has lunch with, he and Margaret Maxwell, if there’s anybody that John has dinner, lunch, plays golf with more in life on a consistent basis than Ron Simmons, I don’t know who it would be. And there’s a reason why John Maxwell and Ron Simmons sits down every summer because they are up together in Highlands, North Carolina, or every fall because we go out to Pebble Beach or every other time in the year when we just kind of can get our passed across. And that’s because when John and Ron get together, leadership happens, discussions happen. And that’s because, Ron, you have spent your life serving others in leadership. Let us hear, before we hear about Ron, the author, let us hear about Ron the leader. Tell us a little bit about your life, some of the accomplishments you’ve had.

Ron Simmons:

Well, I tell people all the time, and no offense to our listeners from Arkansas and Louisiana, but I was born in Louisiana, raised in Arkansas. So you got some of the issues already going against you got to Texas, fast as I could spell it, at about the age 25. But I think what I’ve always wanted, I was a middle child, and I think sometimes middle children have this desire to succeed and to gain attention. I can see it in our little grandkids already. And so I think that was part of it innate with me. And then I also saw some of the challenges that my own family went through, which we’ll talk about maybe a little bit later, and something inside of me said, I don’t want to be a part of that. Okay. I love sports at the time. And so I was the captain of our football team in high school. I thought that was a place that I could lead by example. And that’s something that I always wanted to do, was lead by example. When you’re a young guy, you don’t really have the ability to get to level five because you don’t know. In fact, you shouldn’t be on level five. You should really focus trying to get to level three right, where you’re just doing it, you’re going to get performance right. And so that’s where I’ve kind of always started, Mark, is that, I think, a real leader. You could skip level one for sure. The title doesn’t mean anything. If you can get to level three and you can perform, then people will at least take notice to you. And then it’ll be up to you how much you’ve developed internally to whether or not they will be willing to follow you. And then you’ll be able to develop leaders that develop other leaders. And so what I’ve done along the way I did this in business. I created an investment company that, at the time we sold it, managed $3 billion under management. We had clients in all 50 states. Again, I took ten years to get four years of college. So I’m not the smartest guy in the room. But the way I did that is people saw me doing it. I brought in the first $400 million worth of assets that we managed. And so everybody knew that Ron had already been there from the mail room all the way up to the CEO spot. And it was the same way when I entered the legislature. And when I entered the legislature, I was a 51 year old guy that hadn’t really ever done politics. I was focused on my business and my family. But when I got in there, what I did, the first thing I did is I went and met with all 149 other members of the legislature.

Mark Cole:

I love this.

Ron Simmons:

Took me 70 days to do it, but I did it because I wanted them to see me willing to go out and do the work. And so I always started my leadership deal with do the work and then develop yourself, and you’ll be able to develop others.

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Mark Cole:

So built your own business. $3 billion plus under management. Served in the state house of the country of Texas. Yes, I did say that correctly. Very effective. I know people that talk about the job that you did serving the great state of Texas, very often very involved in helping others get what they want, be very successful. And then there’s this component of an incredible family. If you don’t know Chris, he married way above himself. Lisa Simmons is absolutely made you everything that you are, no question about it, but incredible family, and you’ve just been very involved in the community, and you’ve just made a way with your leadership to be effective at whatever you do. Coming from a leadership angle, would that be accurate?

Ron Simmons:

Well, I’ve tried to do that, for sure. And, Mark, the other thing is that I wanted to do and a lot of families are like this, okay? And my mom and dad were good people. My dad still allowed my mom passed away a couple of years ago. They had some struggles. They divorced when I was 17 and had their own issues. But it doesn’t mean there’s a lot of people that happens to 50% of the country that happens to right. But I will say that what that did to me is I wanted to lead my family. First of all, the goal that I had Lisa and I talked about a bunch was that, first of all, I wanted to get out of financial mediocrity. We can talk about that some more later. But then even the reason for that was that if Lisa and I started down here at the bottom, wherever it was, and there were certainly people worse off than we were, but we could see them, right? We could shake hands, and wherever we got to, that’s where I wanted the starting point. Not in money, okay? I want to make sure that I leave them inheritance, but mainly I want it to be in a level of understanding and influencing character so that they could go from there and take that to wherever it is that leads them. That was really important for Lisa.

Mark Cole:

Well, you’ve done that. And again, those of you that have not had a chance to meet Ron, you’re going to meet him with the book. The story here is incredible. I can’t wait to get to it. But this is a leader that understands how to set people up, whether it’s financially, whether it’s politically, whether it’s business, and set people up for success. So thanks for all you’ve done, and thanks for being such a friend to John and I. I want to get into this book, but before I do, one of the things I love about great leaders like John Maxwell, like Ron Simmons, is you have this huge passion to reinvent yourself. John, most recently those on the podcast. You know, John just released his book. That’s why it took me so long to get this interview to you. We just released John’s book. John just released some songs because he’s writing songs now. He’s constantly reinventing himself. And, Ron, you are too. You didn’t set out to be an author. Why did you say, I’ve got to get my book, my story, in print?

Ron Simmons:

For me, I think there was two things for it. Obviously, I think leaving a legacy for your children in words is important. Now that we have grandchildren, I think that’s important in fact, if only my six grandchildren read, it would be okay with me, right?

Mark Cole:

That would be really good.

Ron Simmons:

It’s kind of like John, his mother read his first book, exactly how that is. But even more so than that, if you look at my life, there’s a lot of people out there like me, Mark, okay? Whether they grew up in a small town with 50 people in their graduating class, or whether they grew up in maybe a bad area of a major city, that all the stuff on top of them that would say, you can’t, you can’t, you can’t, would definitely be a reason for them not to. And I wanted to show that they can. Okay? Now, obviously, I’m like John and you. I’m a person of faith. And so it wasn’t me doing this all along. Sure, God had his hand on us, but he also, as we could tell throughout the Bible, he depends on us. We are people of free will to make the choice and to decide whether or not we go down that road or we go down this road.

Mark Cole:

I love that. Okay, so let’s talk about this life lessons from the little red wagon. Tell our listeners, tell our viewers what’s the concept of the red wagon and how is that going to make me a better leader?

Ron Simmons:

Yeah, well, it’s funny, that’s something that came to me years ago, the whole red wagon. I had an incident, which I talk about in the book, where I had a little bit of an accident on my first red wagon when I was six years old, that I still actually have a scar under my chin for. And I was just developing this process of thinking about the parts of the wagon here a few years ago. And when you think about a wagon, okay, it really, first of all, unless it’s facing downhill, can’t go anywhere on its own. And if it is facing downhill and there’s nobody leading it, it’s going to crash. And so when I looked at it, I thought, the wagon has all the components that we have in life. You have to have somebody on the handle, okay? And it’s the only one that can do the direction. You have to have the front wheels because the front wheels actually allow it to move. Okay, the determine where the back wheels go. The back wheels only go where the front wheels go. That’s all they do. Then, of course, the actual container itself is where we carry everything or where we’re being carried. Sometimes we’re the ones being carried.

Mark Cole:

Yeah, for sure.

Ron Simmons:

And at different points in my life, I’ve been in all aspects of that.

Mark Cole:

So then in the book, and this is what I love, you have 15 ways to actually begin not just driving behavior and not just going along with the wagon wherever the goes, but you give ways that we can take charge, that we can actually take responsibility for the way that our life, our red wagon is going. Talk a little bit about how you wanted to show in your story, how you might be that passenger sometime, but just stay there because you’re going to be able to take charge and take control of your life.

Ron Simmons:

Well, first of all, I think the first thing that I tell people is that you need to realistically determine where you are in the wagon in each phase of your life. And I look at things like relationships, your spiritual, your faith, your, your finances, your job, all of those things. Where are you? Because I’m not going to be on the handle on every one of those. If you think you are the it’s kind of like when I took ally hunting one time, and we didn’t catch anything, we didn’t kill anything. And she says, I said, well, honey, that’s why we call it honey hunting. And she says, I call this a nature walk. Right. You’re just on a nature walk if you think you’re on the deal the whole time. So it was really important to me to be able to look at where was I at different times in my life. At 51 years old, after I’d already been CEO of a very large investment company, I got in that wagon, and somebody else had to carry me on how to be involved in public service. Wow. And if I would have tried to pull the wagon on that itself, I would have lost. I just would have lost. Because it’s different enough that you have to be willing to say it’s okay to be in the wagon sometimes.

Mark Cole:

You know, it’s what John says. I love this ron.

Ron Simmons:

I love this.

Mark Cole:

It’s what John says is when if you’re the smartest person in the room, you’re in the wrong class. Right. And the other day, he was talking about writing books, and he says, I found out that I was the dumbest person in the room, and I don’t want to stay there either. If you’re constantly pulling the wagon and you’re not relying on others to help you and pull you, you’re probably not trying something bigger than yourself. If you don’t need somebody in your life helping you get your wagon where it needs to go, then you’re probably not trying enough. Or if you’re constantly being pulled, you’re probably not helping others.

Ron Simmons:

You’re probably not learning enough yourself. You don’t want to be cargo forever.

Mark Cole:

Yeah. Okay. So as a 16 year old, I loved reading. Really? It was about 14 or 15, and I loved reading Westerns. Louis Lamore. You remember that? Max Brand? Remember Louis Lamore? Max brand. The Sacket brand.

Ron Simmons:

Yeah. So I did, too.

Mark Cole:

So I would spend many, many nights and so one of the things that I love is the part in the book about the lonesome dove. Okay? So I want you to share that story, and I want you to help us, tying it into our willingness to learn.

Ron Simmons:

Well, there’s a story in there. It’s a couple of different stories in there, okay? But the story that I like the most involves the one with Jake Spoon, okay?

Mark Cole:

Okay.

Ron Simmons:

And Jake Spoon was one of their former Texas Ranger colleagues, and Jake had gone off to gamble and all this type of stuff while they were down in this little hicktown and trying to raise some cattle and all that stuff. And Jake shows up one day and says, hey, we ought to take this herd to Montana. That’s where the say everything’s beautiful up there. And they look at Jake kind of like he’s crazy and all that. But long story short, they decide to do that. Well, Jake only lasts for a few days, and he wants to go back to San Antonio and Gamble, which is just a little ways up the road, all right? When he gets there and kind of runs out of money, he has to hook up with some guys to kind of get him through the bad lands, and he hooks up with some guys that are really bad guys, and these guys end up killing some farmers and stuff along the way. And Gus and Call, who are the two main characters robert Deval and Tommy Lee Jones made for this movie, they find out about some bad people that have killed some farmers, okay? And they hear about it. Of course. They have a sense of justice, even though they’re not Texas Rangers anymore. They got to go take care of it, so they leave the herd and run off. Well, sure enough, Jake Spoons with the now, Jake hadn’t killed anybody, but he’s with these bad guys, and he tries to explain once Gus and Woodrow get there, hey, I didn’t do anything. It was these guys. I was just trying to get through there, and I’ll never forget they had them on the horse with the rope around their neck, and he was saying he said, But, Gus, I didn’t do anything. And Gus says, Jake, you crossed the line, Ron. And Jake said, I didn’t see no line. And that’s what happens, okay? That’s what happens in life. I didn’t even see a line. And so we’re not focused enough on what’s going on around us to be able to know when things might be going the wrong way. And you need to pivot right.

Mark Cole:

Yes.

Ron Simmons:

And so that’s one of the stories I life there are multiple stories in there we talks about it ain’t talking about dying. I’m talking about living it’s really well.

Mark Cole:

I love this, and I so related with the Jake Spoon because the Mark Cole in life, not realizing the components and all the really necessary things of life, the components of the red wagon, and not realizing that I can find most of the time ron, perhaps this is true in your leadership. Most of the time that I get errant, that I lose my way, that I make some what feels like fatal mistakes, although they’ve ended up helping me build something has been because I didn’t realize that others around me could help me get on the journey. And that’s what I love about the Jake’s story, is he didn’t realize that he didn’t have that blind spot. He didn’t realize that he had crossed the line. He didn’t see the line in the story.

Ron Simmons:

He crawled in the wagon and didn’t think beyond the wagon.

Mark Cole:

That’s right.

Ron Simmons:

He actually left, if you remember, he left the lady behind and a good little friend of his, Newt. Remember, Newt was his good friend. They were very sad when he went off, right. Because he felt he had abandoned him. Lori Darlin was the lady. And so he should have been another component of that. He should have at least been the.

Mark Cole:

Rear wheels of that journey, no doubt about it.

Ron Simmons:

Pushing, pushing, pushing. And he just wanted to crawl in the wagon.

Mark Cole:

All right, so first book.

Ron Simmons:

Yeah.

Mark Cole:

Which one of these chapters was the hardest to write?

Ron Simmons:

The one about Daniel. We have middle son who has autism and some other struggles, seizure disorder and all that type of stuff. And the challenges that we had with him, not internally as much, but just with other people, were the ones that were the hardest. They were the ones that were the most difficult because you hurt for him. You have children, you just hurt for them. Right. That was the hard. We’ve seen a lot of victories in that, too. But when my audio book comes out, which will be out in a few weeks, it’s interesting because they asked me when I went back to make a few corrections on the recording, they said, you were pretty emotional in this chapter. Do you want to go back and rerecord that? And I said, absolutely not. Because that’s who we are. That’s who we were. So that was probably the hardest one to write.

Mark Cole:

It was a beautiful one. Most of everybody that listens to the podcast or have been listening for a while, knows of my mentally, physically handicapped brother Philip. And so reading that about Daniel and just watching you be raw on that was very helpful. And for you as podcast listeners, that man, you know, when John and I bring you a book recommendation, you know that it is going to impact you. I’ll tell you, some of you are dealing with you might not have Dan, you might not have Philip, but you have situations life in your life that is impacting your leadership. And watching how you and Lisa and how you specifically began to let that be a part, a welcome part of your wagon was very inspiring and impacting to me, who’s also lived a life that others okay, you wrote this chapter called Create Your Opportunity. And most people, they think of the notion of opportunity actually as something you find rather than you create. So talk to us a little bit about this concept in the book.

Ron Simmons:

Well, there’s also a pretty good story in there. And of course, Don’s really if you like stories, you really got to read this book. Yeah, I’m not that great of a storyteller. I think I’m pretty good when you’re talking to me, but I couldn’t do it the way Don helped me do it. He was just so inspirational in that. And so there’s a sports metaphor in there in this particular chapter, because we talk about Eddie Malone and myself. Well, Eddie Malone was our star running back in high school. I mean, he was the prototype, six foot two, really fast guy. And we’re running Chris drill. We’d be like, at this table right here. Well, I’m coming up this line, he’s up that line, and whoever meets in the middle, that’s who you’re going to go against. One on one, no blockers in between. And I’m thinking I’m like, 160 pounds. He’s like 220 pounds and just a rock. And I’m thinking, I could die today, right? I literally could die today at age 16. But I said, okay, you got to create your own opportunity. I mean, I wasn’t thinking that, but I said, I’m going to do my very best right here, because I didn’t like not being a starter as a sophomore. I didn’t start. I got in some games, but I wasn’t a starter. So we went at it head to head, and I won. Now, he may not have been going full speed thinking, I’m going to run over him. He’s not going to be. But I will tell you what happened. The is the coach picked me up by the back of my jersey, which I used to be able to do. You probably can’t do that these days. And he said, this is my starting middle linebacker right here.

Mark Cole:

Wow.

Ron Simmons:

And the confidence, Mark, I will tell you, the confidence that that put in me at that time has led me through life. That sounds small because we were a small school. Anything special about us? But the confidence. And so that just tells you, too, that how we affect others. But taking that opportunity, right. And then taking the opportunity in business of saying, my name is not Murphy. I worked at Murphy Oil in El Dorado. So I knew there was a glass ceiling, and so I wanted to be able to create my own. So that’s why we moved to Dallas and look for other opportunities and then eventually set out on her own.

Mark Cole:

So we’ll come back and let you make a couple of closing comments, but before we run out of time. Believe powerfully in the power of mentorship and what roles, John’s, for me and others like you have played in my life. I’m rich because of the people, the relationships, the people that help you. You wrote this chapter that says, seek out mentors and get unstuck. Talk to me about the role of mentors and what you need to look for mentors so they can help you. Yeah.

Ron Simmons:

And I think for me, it may have been because of my father and my relationship when I was younger, wasn’t as good as it should be because of the challenges. And so for whatever reason, I’ve always sought people that knew more than me in a particular area. And one of the things I also want to caution people on Mark is that don’t have one mentor for all your areas of life. Okay. You could have a business mentor that certainly might not be your spiritual mentor. Now, they need to have a similar world outlook and faith outlook, but the may be different. So what I encourage people to do is, again, if you’re the smartest person in the room, you’re in the wrong room. Is to go out and find people. And what you will find is that people want that. My son in law came to me yesterday. We have Sunday night dinners. I guess it was Sunday night. And he said, hey, I’m having dinner with the former CEO of the organization I’m working with, having lunch with him. What should I do? And I said, well, I said, first of all, people love to do that because he had asked for it. My son law had asked for it. So I was proud of him for doing that. And I said, have three or four questions written down. That’s what John taught us that I said, don’t have 20 like the used to do with coach Wood, but have a few. And then just say just ask him questions about himself. And then ask him questions about how can you be better. Ask him, how can you be better? And that’s what I would always ask John. This is the area I’m struggling with. How am I thinking wrong? How can I be better in this? And then be quiet. But you need to seek out those, because the only way you’re going to get stuck from where you are is to get somebody that can get that handle and pull it out. Because if you’re sitting in the cargo and you’re not moving, you can’t go anywhere.

Mark Cole:

So that’s got to have somebody to help pull that wagon, you do. So I want to talk a minute. You told me just right before we started recording, you told me that the audiobook is coming out in a few weeks. And podcast listeners, listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. You need to go get the book today. This is a Maxwell leadership published book. John Maxwell did the forward. Don Jaeger, a thought leader, helped with some of the storytelling. But this is a book that will help you take the components of your life to build an incredible vehicle of effectiveness called your leadership. It’s the little red wagon.

Ron Simmons:

And we all.

Mark Cole:

Have one. And we all have a wagon that needs to be pulled at times and a wagon to where we need to realize the importance of each of the components. The book’s going to help you, but I got to tell you, after you get the book, and I want you to get it today, wait. Just you wait for the audiobook. Because not only did Ron get a little emotional, as I love it when you get emotional about your family, but you’ve got John Maxwell reading in the book. But of any other audio book that we know of, you have something unique. You have two contributors to this audio book that we don’t know that they’ve ever collaborated on something. Tell me about that story, because I think it’s awesome.

Ron Simmons:

I don’t think that they have John Maxwell’s favorite my favorite people, but also one of my favorite people being in public service in the past is Ronald Reagan.

Mark Cole:

Oh, yeah.

Ron Simmons:

And one of the great speeches that he ever made, in my opinion. I know he had the Gorbachev tear down this wall, but on the 75th anniversary of the invasion at Normandy, where we really turned the World War II around, he went there and did a speech on the boys of Point de Hawk. Point de Hawk set out on the very edge of Omaha Beach, and these boys had to climb this cliff that was perpendicular right to the ocean. So it was straight up. And the were led by Texan colonel Rudder. And the speech is incredible. And so I’m doing my audiobook and I’m reading the speech, which is it is a speech, so it’s incredible. But the I got to thinking, let’s see if President Reagan would do that for us. Now, President Reagan has been passed away for a long time, and we don’t believe in some of the stuff that maybe Nancy believed in him, but we were able to go out and get that audio clip of him because it was in the public domain. So I have John Maxwell and Ronald Reagan. When you listen to the audiobook, we’ll be talking to you about the Little red wagon.

Mark Cole:

I love this. So again, I’m going to challenge our listeners. Our viewers, please pick up the book today, life Lessons from the Little Red Wagon by Ron Simmons. But also go grab the audiobook. I cannot wait to get a project that has Ronald Reagan, one of the best communicators, in my opinion, in the political world, and John Maxwell, one of the best communicators in the same. Hey, do me a favor. I’m going to close in just a moment with a listener comment. I love our listeners, but right now we have people out there that don’t realize the significance of the things that they have in their life. Perhaps some of them feel like they’ve got a flat will, no will at all on their red wagon. Just give them a little bit of hope of what you think this book will give them when they pick it up.

Ron Simmons:

Well, I think it’ll give you first of all, it’ll give you a path, okay? And as we say, this is not just stories. It also takes those stories and teaches lessons from it. And it gives the end of each deal. It gives you an action and consideration and a takeaway at each end of those chapters that we came up with. So it tells you how an everyday person, whether you’re a guy or a gal, is able to take the next uncomfortable step. Love that towards success. And so this book is probably not going to appeal to Tiger Woods, okay, but it’s going to appeal to the Ron Simmons and the Mark Cole out there. And there’s a lot more of them out there than there are the others and nothing against those. Listen, if I could hit a golf ball like him, you and I might not be talking today, right?

Mark Cole:

Yeah. There’s some people that live above the law of gravity or practice, right? You mentioned two names that absolutely do that, tiger woods and John Maxwell. But then there’s the rest of us that understands that success comes through some of the uncomfortable times of life. And when you told me that before we started recording said, I want to challenge people to take the next uncomfortable step, there’s a lot of books out there that will challenge us to take the next easy step. The next comfortable step. That’s not it. This is getting you those of us that are stuck in the same place for some time because we’ve not realized that it’s going to take the uncomfortable to get us out of it. It’s going to take going back to the things that make us that we wish were different, but making those things that we wish were different, actually our friend to take that next one of.

Ron Simmons:

The things that I did with that Mark, is I don’t know if I was born this way or just trained my mind. What I would do when I thought about that uncomfortable step is, yes, I was concerned sometimes about what might not happen, but I really focused on what it was going to look like on the other side. What was that victory going to look like on the other side? I didn’t always get it, but I’ll tell you what, I got a lot more times than I didn’t and it was just as sweet as I thought it would be.

Mark Cole:

You have totally done what John and I felt you would do when we partnered with you on this book. You have come into this studio, you have reached into the lives and the hearts of all of our listeners and provided hope that there can be progress even in the uncomfortable. So I want you podcast listeners, podcast viewers, pick up the book Life Lessons from the Little Red Wagon 15 ways to absolutely take charge of your life and the lives of those around you and create a path to success. Hey, this podcast is all about bringing powerful, positive change. We partner with people like Ron, people like you. We bring the together because we believe that connection is what makes the change, because everyone deserves to be led. Well, we’ll see you again next week.